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Yeah, years ago trying to explain to my old bosses that the doom-laden prophecies of the death of the PC weren't anything to do with the GROWING gaming PC market was... tough.
Yeah, I'm a software developer and I was tired of friends always telling why have a PC when you can have a tablet.
I've always had serious input lag issues with the Steam Link, even over a gigabit Powerline setup. Playing games which require split-second timing, such as driving or sports games, I found impossible.
This is the first streaming device where I can game with no compromise whether I'm streaming from or playing directly on my home rig.
But if you're playing slow-paced games the Steam Link's low-grade hardware is okay. I did enjoy messing around with the Raspberry Pi as a Steam streamer for a while too ;)
May I ask, when was the last time you used the Steam Link? As you're no doubt aware, it (& steam beta client) gets updated quite frequently and the input lag is not bad at all these days IMO. I play Rocket League via streaming sometimes, split-screen on big telly over 1gbs Power line and that's a very fast game! Over Wi-Fi... Not so great.
That's only true if gaming PC hardware was only governed by the likes of Dell, HP and Lenovo. In truth it's the likes of Nvidia, Intel, AMD, Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock and about a million peripheral manufacturers, independent system integrators and etailers who are proving the robust health of the PC hardware market.
The fact those traditional business suppliers are now having to follow suit with Dell and are creating gaming specific brands(Lenovo Legion and HP Omen) shows they're having to embrace the gamers, because that's where the PC money is, instead of just treating them as the brats of the people they're aiming their 'real' office products at.
No-one's implying that declining office use is providing better gaming ability, it's just that gaming and office use have long been separate entities in PC land and it's about time they were recognised as such and not just lumped together under one convenient header.
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I like to use Xbox one remote for action/adventure, and steam controller as shooter and games that don't support controllers well, or at all. thank you for answering my question. I am still going to pick this up. I have a 4k tv but none of the apps support 4k (or ever will unless I buy a $400 upgrade kit), so this is still perfect for my situation. I'm sure Ill find some work around for the steam controller. Sure will be nice to see 4k for the first time on my tv in 2 years lol. Great review
One thing to check on your 4K TV is whether it has HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 ports on it. Without that I think you might have trouble getting 4K streaming from Amazon and Netflix :(
Nvidia have just confirmed there's no Steam Controller support in the Shield at the moment.
Is that your controller of choice right now?
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There have been a lot of folk suggesting he was up to something!
I understand where you're coming from re. using the Cinebench comparisons but AMD themselves have featured it when highlighting Zen's performance improvements. It's also a CPU test I've used for many years and through different iterations when benchmarking CPUs and it gives decent a decent comparative perspective. Though no, it isn't a gaming performance test.
That 40% improvement figure is also the only performance metric AMD have released so far, so I felt it worth investigating that more. All guestimates are going to be vague at this point, but I still feel it worth pointing out that even a straight 40% performance increase on the existing AMD silicon will not be enough to catch Intel.
Re. the clockspeeds - as mentioned in the article the quad and octo-core engineering samples are reportedly both running at the same speeds for test purposes. Though, as mentioned, those won't be the final core speeds on release.
I'm late to the party, but the information on Ryzen during the new horizon event sparked me to check out articles.
Cinebench is being used right now as a staple to predict the sort of single threaded performance that will occur on the desktop (as far as I'm concerned).
People always, at least for me as a techie have never seen it as an adequate judge of gaming performance.
There are so many different ways to gauage performance, and even if you buy the same CPU/GPU combo, you may see different results than the benchmarked ones. When I look at benchmarks it really depends, and I like to look at physical numbers over benchmarks in games. Why? Because, I'm not just a gamer. I'm also a programmer and video editor. I also run servers. So, the highest gaming performance is nice, but it's irrelevant when I'm looking for a product that fits my budget and is capable of doing all these things without fail.
My friend and I do lan party type setups all the time and he's using an i5, I'm using an 8350. We both play the same games at the same FPS in most cases, unless one of use gets a GPU upgrade first.
Battlefield 1 Ultra:
-AMD FX 8350, 16GB 1866Mhz DDR3 ram, 7200rpm HDD, RX 470 [60-120fps, with some minor 45-50fps dips because the game isn't optimized fully yet.]
-i5 4790k, 16GB 1600Mhz ram, R9 380 [60-85 FPS, with 30-45FPS dips]
-Same AMD with R9 270x: 45-60FPS
[The CPU was redlined in this setup, most people would assume the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU]
-Same Intel with R9 380: 60-80FPS
[Green across the board]
-AMD with RX 470: 150-200FPS
[Green across the board, with random 3ms yellow dips, that don't effect the FPS]
Right now, it isn't about the CPU as much as it is the GPU, and that's the major problem with these benchmarks, because the single precision is to predict your desktop experience.
What it actually predicts:
-How long a decompression of any archive file will take.
-How long a CPU-based video encoding will take
-CPU-based floating-point in games.
The Catzilla 4K benchmark shows that in gaming terms, this i5 and FX 8350 are similar, dipping to 7fps in CPU physics. It's possible that an i7 gets 10fps on a physics based rendering test, but it's really not worth the +$1000 price tag for my uses of a PC, and I don't think that 3fps is going to stand out in a benchmark unless you're even with the competitor.
Fear not, I will be updating the guide with non-mechanical switch and budget boards in the future.
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