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Kerodon responded to Dave James's comment in
1 Month ago
Intel's Core i5 8400 is THE gaming Coffee Lake, ignore those K-series' 5GHz+ OC numbersIntel's Core i5 8400 is THE gaming Coffee Lake, ignore those K-series' 5GHz+ OC numbers
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At launch you could buy an 8400 for around £180, with ASRock Z370 boards retailing for as little as £109. That's a pretty compelling gaming package.


As I said in the review above, for multi-threaded workloads the 12-threads of Ryzen help, but this appraisal is based on gaming performance, and across the board the Intel is either better or at least the same.

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In the US the 1600 is $169 and the motherboards can be as low as $40


The 8400 is $189 and motherboards at best are $100 and not very consistently.

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Intel Core i7 8700K review: Coffee Lake beats Ryzen, but proves games don't care for coresIntel Core i7 8700K review: Coffee Lake beats Ryzen, but proves games don't care for cores
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Actually, No sir, no it did not. I don't use Ryzen Master, as it's garbage (IMO). Here's what I use: https://www.grainger.com/product/20E890?cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!166587239686!!!g!82166490957!&ef_id=WdTObwAAAGhYtSAP:20171115192233:s&kwid=productads-adid^166587239686-device^c-plaid^82166490957-sku^20E890-adType^PLA


Got anything else you'd like to add? Some might say 'silicon lottery' but you'd have to lose that lottery pretty badly to get such badly results. Really badly, actually.

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No it did not... what?


I was explaining where the figures we provide came from, and that we are not 'lying bastards.'


The Wattage figures we show (and the ones we show in all of our testing) are for peak platform power. The total AM4 testing platform, supplied by AMD for the purposes of the 1800X review, ran to a maximum of 204W drawn from the wall. They're captured in the same way for all our platform power testing and are used to show the difference between different systems.


And the thermal figures we show came from the original Ryzen Master Utility (again supplied by AMD).


There's no bias, no blatant lies, and no corporate shilling. Why would there be? What would be the point?

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Intel Core i7 8700K review: Coffee Lake beats Ryzen, but proves games don't care for coresIntel Core i7 8700K review: Coffee Lake beats Ryzen, but proves games don't care for cores
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The other explanation could be that we use platform power draw to measure that side of things. And the thermal information came from AMD's Ryzen Master utility.


Thanks for reading.

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Actually, No sir, no it did not. I don't use Ryzen Master, as it's garbage (IMO). Here's what I use: https://www.grainger.com/product/20E890?cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!166587239686!!!g!82166490957!&ef_id=WdTObwAAAGhYtSAP:20171115192233:s&kwid=productads-adid^166587239686-device^c-plaid^82166490957-sku^20E890-adType^PLA


Got anything else you'd like to add? Some might say 'silicon lottery' but you'd have to lose that lottery pretty badly to get such badly results. Really badly, actually.

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Intel’s new GPUs can’t afford to just be a knee jerk reaction to Nvidia… nor a Larrabee 2.0 failIntel’s new GPUs can’t afford to just be a knee jerk reaction to Nvidia… nor a Larrabee 2.0 fail
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Have they actually said that this project has anything to do with gaming at all? Makes me curious how much revenue there actually is in gaming graphics cards, since really all I ever seem to hear about is how computer hardware sales are going down.
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It's true that PC sales are still tanking, but gaming and gaming hardware is a serious growth sector. Last year gaming hardware sales topped $30bn for the first time:


https://www.pcgamesn.com/pc-hardware-market-30bn-dollars


And that's likely to be even higher this year. So, while Nvidia are making a whole lot of cash from AI and datacentre stuff right now, the increase in the graphics card revenue has been a huge boost to their bottom line.


Intel have been talking a lot about gaming, and from people we've spoken to that's going to continue with their touted discrete GPU tech. This is more likely a move to bolster their future AI earnings, but equally a decent discrete GPU for gamers would give their bottom line a bump too.

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Nvidia: Intel making GPUs is "the most significant undertaking... in the world today."Nvidia: Intel making GPUs is "the most significant undertaking... in the world today."
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I mean, they didn't manage to do it last time with Larrabee, so why would Nvidia be that worried this time? I'm still bitter that Intel bought Project Offset for Larrabee then killed it when they failed with their GPU.
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I'm stunned Intel are dipping their toes back in the GPU water after the catastrophe of Larrabee. Short memories maybe, or Raja has convinced them it's actually possible this time.


Back in the day, Intel kept telling us in the tech press that Larrabee was going to be great, right up to the moment it was killed. We'd all been really hoping for a third GPU way...

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I thought Gigabyte's Aorus X9 was a super quiet SLI laptop… until we actually turned the fans onI thought Gigabyte's Aorus X9 was a super quiet SLI laptop… until we actually turned the fans on
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The temperatures were creeping up and up and, without the cooling kicking in as it did, the GPUs would have collapsed under the load. The manual step the fans were on essentially meant they remained at a specific speed no matter the temp.


I'm sure there will be a balance you can strike with the amount of fan profiling on offer (as I mention in the piece) but it is going to take a bit of effort on your behalf.

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That's annoying, they should configure it with a default fan profile that keeps it within spec at the minimum possible RPM.

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The Asus Zephyrus sure is a slimline notebook, but it ain't no gaming 'laptop' The Asus Zephyrus sure is a slimline notebook, but it ain't no gaming 'laptop'
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It's impressively quiet. I believe the Max Q spec is for gaming load to be 40dB or less.

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If I didn't already buy a HiDevolution EVOC 16L-G-1080 I would have jumped on this.

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2 Months ago
The Asus Zephyrus sure is a slimline notebook, but it ain't no gaming 'laptop' The Asus Zephyrus sure is a slimline notebook, but it ain't no gaming 'laptop'
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Good review, but ...
Can someone tell the guy on the right, he looks very ridiculous nose piercing?
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I think you just did :)

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2 Months ago
MSI’s Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon is too honest to deliver top Coffee Lake performanceMSI’s Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon is too honest to deliver top Coffee Lake performance
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The article indicates that when the i7-8700k is installed in the MSI board it runs at 4.3GHz and 4.7 when in the ASUS board. Is there any difference when an i5-8400? I understand the 8400 is locked but does it run at base clock when installed or operate at the boost from the start? Thanks
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Sadly Asus' all-core enhancement feature is limited to the K-series chips only. I was hoping it would enable us to run the 8400 at its single core 4GHz clockspeed all the time, but unfortunately not :(

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AMD’s Vega beats Nvidia’s GTX 1080 by up to 21% in Shadow of War at 4KAMD’s Vega beats Nvidia’s GTX 1080 by up to 21% in Shadow of War at 4K
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The Computer Base 4K benchmarks weren't run at Ultra settings, they were running at High.


But as I mentioned in the piece we cannot currently verify the results as our Vega samples are still being shipped back to us.

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If you are going to post something like this why not back it up?

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