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The strange story of World of Warcraft’s max camera distance and unexpectedly problematic changes

While World of Warcraft’s actual world is in upheaval ahead of the Legion expansion, with demon invasions, er, invading over the next couple of days and a whole new class making its way out into the grand adventure, it’s not the only big set of changes. Every expansion brings a huge number of smaller improvements with it and in Legion the game camera had a re-work. This removed client-side configuration commands, not available in the option menu, to increase the max zoom distance. Now everyone is stuck at the same, normal level. This sent the community into a flurry of angry posting the likes of which are reserved by most for criminal injustice or an oncoming apocalypse.

And, it turns out, they had a fairly serious point.

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Brought up on the official forums by user Handsomejoe, his complaint was not the first on the topic but was when things really started to build momentum. Initial replies detail problems with seeing raid bosses and tales of motion sickness, including one person saying a guildmate threw up due to not being used to it.

These complaints then continued for ten straight, reply-capped threads. The latest one, where much of this information is sourced from, is over here. Blizzard’s main reply, from lead designer Ion Hazzikostas, was from before the major disagreements began and focused on the competitive advantage provided - both in PvP and PvE - as well as how having a massive maximum camera distance ruined look ‘n’ feel. The annoyed group didn’t take those answers, pointing out their health concerns should trump problems; that everyone could be made equal by adding the console-command-only increased maximum zoom distance to the default interface menu; and not accepting a limiting to the way they play just so the art can be seen a bit closer.

Those not familiar with the game or its camera options should take a look at this image for an idea of how drastic the change is. Do keep in mind that the vast majority of players - myself and everyone I know who plays, for example - have always used the UI max, not the console one. I didn’t even realise it was a hidden option until these complaints popped up, though I also haven’t done high-end raiding in a very, very long time. This is one of several areas where it proves necessary, simply to be able to tell what a boss is doing, as described in this image album.

However, it’s the health issue that really strikes home. While problems of perspective could be designed around in future, reducing the size of the odd dragon here, making that demon overlord’s fire plume death maneuver a little more visible there, you can’t stop people getting sick. This thread, which popped up on July 20, explained that it wasn’t just max zoom causing problems, but other camera changes as well.

This lead to an investigation by Blizzard, as explained by blue posts in that thread. Features such as the dynamic ActionCam, which was unfinished but left to be enabled by mods as many players enjoyed it, seemed to be getting turned on by accident. Mounts had bugged out to make flying more sickly. The camera used when players were in vehicles also had its own new set of bugs, leading to this hilarious-if-horrifying video, which comes with a serious trigger warning if you suffer from motion sickness:

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Not fun. Blizzard focused fixing on these sorts of problems first, and they should now be okay. Then they turned their attention back to camera zoom.

Ion Hazzikostas popped up once again on the official forums, in reply to that latest camera zoom megathread, to say where things lie. He explains that he thinks his initial post focused too heavily on the competitive advantage element, and that part of why they changed things was in-line with other improvements - like the addition of much-celebrated new combat animations - to make the game that much nicer to look at. He also points out that they have failed in their part to make interesting encounters that don’t seem to require a higher max zoom distance, stating:

“When a tank can’t see around a boss like Archimonde to know where incoming demons are in order to corral them, that’s obviously not ideal. There is much we can do to keep WoW’s scale from spiraling out of control, as well as UI and camera improvements to the experience of fighting huge monsters, and we’ll be paying close attention to feedback along those lines as we move into Legion.”

He also says that the original plan was to put these fixes into the Legion beta early, giving lots of time for feedback. That beta has lasted longer than any of Blizzard’s others, with a lot of development over that time, and putting it in early would have allowed for a lot of feedback and, thinks Hazzikostas, fixes to prevent motion sickness despite zooming in. That didn’t happen due to a bug, which is why these problems are only coming to a head now.

They’re going to disable a follow-up mod that was allowing players to maintain long zoom distances because of a bug, but also restoring some amount of the console-only functionality. In the end, the console-enabled max has ended up half-way between what it originally was and the default. They’re doing it this way because they still want to reduce it, but don’t have time to iterate often enough to fix issues, and the number of health complaints is too high to ignore.

The immediate response was positive, but complaints continue the deeper you go past Hazzikostas’ post. There are also a lot of bosses in Legion that fall under the problem of being absolutely massive. One fight in the first major raid, Emerald Nightmare, involves three humongous dragons. Another, in one of the game’s dungeons, is against a woman coming out of the sea, a dozen times larger than your character.

Overall, it looks like it will be another expansion cycle before we see the end of this story - be it an increase in the default max, or Blizzard fixing the underlying problems, as they call them, to bring it back down. The 'Action Cam' will eventually return once it's ready, and it looks like the blues intend to use it as a possible solution to the massive-boss problem, allowing for more dynamic vision. Most players might not even notice this set of back and forth changes, but for a few it's been a dodgy month for their enjoyment of the game.

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brmorgen82 Avatar
1 Year ago

It's a huge issue. It's terrible that they would drastically reduce the zoom out limit, it's like they're trying to make the game worse and less fun for some reason.

grooselah Avatar
1 Year ago

Several points in your article need clarification.

1) Prior to this the max default ui slider allowed users to zoom out to a setting of approximately 35 yards. It has been reduced to 28.5

2) For 12 years World of Warcraft's support personnel have freely advised players to use the console command to increase their zoom level to deal with any number of issues. TWELVE YEARS

3) Many Add-ons used to enrich player experience "look and feel" as well as 'maximize performance' also extended their zoom through use of the console command

3) Long after primary feedback had been received about encounter tuning and "look and feel" in world play. Near the very end of the beta the max default was changed to 28.5. Complaints begin from players INCLUDING THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES about various debilitating symptoms as well as the way the game looked and felt.

4) The change was pushed to live, complaints continued. At least one, possibly two or more seizures were reported.

5) The compromise solution keeps the default max zoom at 28.5

Frankly unless they "fix" the players who have issues with their FoV, an issue that in itself has been brought up as too narrow in the first place), they will correct the graphical errors that are visually disturbing and find that they are left with one big elephant in the room. And no amount of wishful thinking will change it. Zoom!

A number of the players who are having issues cite World of Warcraft as THE ONLY game that they could play with any degree of comfort. Because its camera didn't force them on top of the action as any number of the games Ion himself cites as examples.

Further, despite claiming that the "compromise" is informed by player reports the simple fact is that many have already stated that the distance that works for them is longer than that currently being tested,. not in the live game yet. That distance is reportedly 39 yards. A total of 4 more yards than the original 35 yards.

For 12 years players have found 35 yards acceptable, or 50 if they needed it. One always had the option to zoom in and most do not spend their time at the outer limit of zoom. Now those players who have issues with being too close will never spend another dime . All in service to a very subjective design philosophy of what constitutes "look and feel" and the appropriate way to "experience" the game

Skylalala Avatar
1 Year ago

You missed the (at least) 2 cases of people having seizures and the person who got so dizzy they fell and hit their head due to the changes. That should have resulted in an *immediate* response and reversion to the original camera.

AnAuldWolf Avatar
1 Year ago

Eh. This is only a problem with a large amount of people, isn't it? Raids were always for extraverts or those who think a lot like them, anyway. The modern online experience isn't really an MMO at all, but more a co-op game in a persistent world. There are many titles struggling to fit into this new approach before they fade into obsolescence. Honestly, though, I think the way that ESO is approaching things comes the closest to getting it right.

It's not like they're not making mistakes, though. Not allowing co-op versions of public dungeons (where the party you take in is the only one you see), and having dungeons which force a group of five (which means that if you want to do a story dungeon with just you and your partner, you're screwed) are both big problems. I think they need to understand that before they can fully settle into the new mold. Essentially, all their dungeons should be optionally either public or co-op, and should scale to the amount of people present.

Scaling is how this new approach works. Battleborn would have been a shoe-in, too, if they hadn't dropped the ball and shifted their focus away from the campaign to chasing eSports. There were so many bugs and issues in Battleobrn's campaign, along with the poor optimisation and eSports focused balancing just making it not fun to play? Yeah.

I think there's a new genre emerging here. It's something that's writhing to be set free from the carcass of WoW and it looks a lot like the original Guild Wars (much more like that than 2, even). Where the content is designed to feel and play more like a co-op experience, and there are hubs where you can meet and interact with other people but they can't screw up your play experience or immersion.

These games will have cameras more like the single player games we have right now. Which, frankly, sounds like it'll be better for everyone.

brmorgen82 Avatar
1 Year ago

No, actually it's a problem with any amount of people. Being able to see what's going on in the game is fun and restricting the camera is just plain dumb.