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Galactic Civilizations 3 preview: "We're making the GalCiv 2 that we always wanted"

A large, menacing metallic spaceship against a starfield.

Reading between the lines of an interview with Galactic Civilizations designer Paul Boyer and Stardock CEO Brad Wardell, they seem a little anxious about maintaining the values that made Galactic Civilizations II the best game Stardock ever developed. They return a lot to the theme of their own naivete in the mid-2000s, the fact that they did some things with GalCiv 2 because they didn’t know any better, and stumbled into some magic.

Stardock have changed a lot in the last few years, and while they’re a more professional and knowledgeable group of developers now, they don’t want to lose the freedom they brought to Galactic Civilizations 2. As Boyer puts it, “You can kind of tell that there's a labor of love in there, and that causes people to get much more attached to it.... Nowadays everything’s just so polished down to the bare essentials. Players like to have something where they can feel like — I don’t know — like it's alive. Like there's stuff there to discover.”

Galactic Civilizations II remains one of Stardock’s biggest successes, to the point of being puzzling. “The sales of GalCiv 2 were actually higher last year than they had been in the year before,” Wardell says. “We've put some considerable effort in trying to understand that. That’s not how it's supposed to work, if you understand.”

Even though Galactic Civilizations 2 remains popular, Wardell and Boyer know the game is out of date. The interface drives them crazy now, especially its lack of helpful tooltips. Entire systems, like the economy and the “planetary approval rating” don’t really work in the ways that they want. They can see the places where they had to down-tools because of budgetary or technical constraints, and they’ve only identified more problems over time.

“Essentially, we’re not really so much making GalCiv 3 as we’re making the GalCiv 2 that we always wanted,” Boyer says. “There's always the, ‘Oh, I wish we could revisit how we did this part of the ships,’ or things like that. And now we can.”

Writing away in margaritaville

One area where Stardock really want to improve is the fiction. While GalCiv 2 definitely has fans who know the various races and their history, Wardell is more than willing to concede that Stardock may not have taken the most professional or thoughtful approach to creating the fictional backdrop for their sci-fi 4X.

“In GalCiv II,” Wardell relates, “Paul, myself, and Kristin — Paul’s wife — we did a show called ‘Power User TV’. We would literally go to a pub and with a notebook, and spit out all the writing after margaritas. It was meant for some interesting dialogue but that’s probably not a good system in hindsight.”

While Boyer argues that margarita-fueled writing worked wonders for his attitude, Stardock are nevertheless bring in full-time writers and trying to make the fiction come to life a bit more in the game.

Brad Wardell headshot in black and white.

Wardell points to the Yor Collective, a robot faction, as an example of the kind of faction customization Stardock are trying to do.

“Up until [The Twilight of Arnor expansion for GalCiv 2], the Yor farmed. The Yor robots had farms, right? Like, what the hell? Why do the Yor have farms? Oh, because there's only one tech tree, so what are we going to do?” Wardell says.

While they eventually stamped that out with Twilight of Arnor, GalCiv 3 is beginning with custom tech trees for every race. That should give each civilization a distinctive style that underscores their fictional identity. It also, however, creates some headaches for Stardock. Especially because GalCiv’s tech trees are not just about the order in which players discover things, the way they are in Civilization. Right from the start in GalCiv 3, players have to choose which lines of research they will pursue at the exclusion of others. Nobody can expect to completely fill-out a tech tree, and trying to be comprehensive will result in a mediocre civilization.

Ship to ship

The greater variation between factions and their research paths will, Stardock hope, make ship customization a little more relevant to players and encourage more diversity when fleet-building.

“[Ship design] was a little bit hollow because there weren’t a lot of special things you can put on there,” Wardell admits. “Now, there's a lot more stuff you could put on your ships that have interesting and fun ramifications... The ship design thing kind of was one of things that was not originally a major part of the design but it really took off as we had more and more fun with it, but because it wasn’t such a core part of the GalCiv II original design, it didn’t get flushed out.”

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Htorne Avatar
4 Years ago

What they need to do is a proper Beta - where people actually Beta test the game and give feedback. "That excludes me sadly" but if they make this game with their hardcore fan base on the side, it has the chance of becoming a major success.

I got the feeling that some of their hardcore fans out there, really know their CalCiv stuff.

I think the Dev should invite them to a private Beta thingy, and not a marketing Beta.

Dog Pants Avatar
Dog Pants(3 hours played)
4 Years ago

Marketing beta. I like that term. Very descriptive.

bbaydar Avatar
bbaydar(17 days 8 hours played)
4 Years ago

You can pre-order the game by buying a "Founder's edition" which will get fans access to the alpha or beta depending on which you buy.

cgerrr Avatar
4 Years ago

While being decent 4x GalCiv2 for me was pretty messy shallow-ish experience littered with half measures in game design, especially: combat, ship design and research (I perceive GalCiv1 as a bit more solid in that regard).

Really hope devs will rectify said problems and deliver: there is certainly a demand for great 4x space strategy considering the quality of current generation of 4x games.

Gar Avatar
2 Years ago

Oh COME ON! Not going in a "Master of Orion" direction? Why the hell not? Master of Orion for Galciv, Master of Magic for Elemental. Proven rabidly popular models for an instant hit that players are dieing to see in a modern game, and Stardock is THE company (maybe the only one now) to pull it off, if they tried. GC's "rock-paper-scissors" style isn't terrible, but damn we've done that enough lately. It's time for something we haven't seen in the last decade...